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Взяли интервью у ребят из CleanTalk:

http://nubisnovem.com/talking-clean-interview-creators-cleantalk-spam-filtering-service/

Чувствую себя немного невыспавшимся.

Date: 2015-12-03 12:17 am (UTC)
dennisgorelik: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dennisgorelik
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Denis Shagimuratov
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Date: 2015-12-03 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anspa.livejournal.com
Ага, ну такие немного чуваки. Молодые. =)

Date: 2015-12-03 01:05 am (UTC)
dennisgorelik: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dennisgorelik
Do they return spam score or just passed/failed?

Date: 2015-12-03 01:23 am (UTC)
dennisgorelik: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dennisgorelik
Did you ask them why?
Score might be more interesting to know.

Date: 2015-12-03 01:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anspa.livejournal.com
Their results are pretty accurate. That is enough to know.

Date: 2015-12-03 01:37 am (UTC)
dennisgorelik: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dennisgorelik
I have my own spam calculations. It would be much better to combine both calculations together.
If they provide only pass/fail - then combining ratings would be awkward/inefficient.

Date: 2015-12-03 01:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anspa.livejournal.com
I don't need to know why and what score, but their approach worked for me very well. When I say pretty accurate it is one false positive for about 2000 messages or registration attempts over year and a half. I do not know parameters of your calculations.

Date: 2015-12-03 01:45 am (UTC)
dennisgorelik: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dennisgorelik
1) How do you know that you had only one false positive?

2) Did you have any false negatives (spam message that CleanTalk allowed to post on your blog)?

3) My own calculations would be based on specific keywords that are likely to be spam in my niche (job board).

Date: 2015-12-03 01:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anspa.livejournal.com
1) I was monitoring it from time to time. Then, false positive (which I had to read and approve anyway, as being super paranoid) are much more evident than false negative (which I could probably miss).

2) I did not find any, and I was browsing quite closely, especially in the beginning.

Date: 2015-12-03 03:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anspa.livejournal.com
BTW, they have black IP lists on the website. Might be interesting for you?

Date: 2015-12-03 01:06 am (UTC)
dennisgorelik: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dennisgorelik
$8/year is way too cheap.
On the other hand, if it is just for a blog that is updated once per week - that might be ok.
Edited Date: 2015-12-03 01:06 am (UTC)

Date: 2015-12-03 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anspa.livejournal.com
They say $8/year is comfortable level for both sides.

Date: 2015-12-03 01:32 am (UTC)
dennisgorelik: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dennisgorelik
Do you know what "SubmitTime" is and how to calculate it?


https://github.com/CleanTalk/csharp-antispam
var req1 = new CleantalkRequest(AuthKey)
{
	Message = "This is great storm!",
	SenderInfo = new SenderInfo
	{
		Refferrer = "http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport",
		UserAgent = "Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) Presto/2.12.388 Version/12.12"
	},
	SenderIp = "91.207.4.192",
	SenderEmail = "keanu8dh.smith@gmail.com",
	SenderNickname = "Mike",
	IsJsEnable = 1,
	SubmitTime = 12
};

Edited Date: 2015-12-03 01:33 am (UTC)

Date: 2015-12-03 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anspa.livejournal.com
I can only guess that is the gap between retrieve the initial form and clicking "Submit" button. When it is done too quick, that's a sign of a bot.

Date: 2015-12-03 02:02 am (UTC)
dennisgorelik: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dennisgorelik
So the number would be a number of seconds, I guess?

Date: 2015-12-03 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anspa.livejournal.com
Might be.

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